SEXY SLICK DVD - JUST RELEASED CLUB MEMBER WEEKEND

[Vicki]

you've been waiting soooooo long since that day in chat when i showed you the dvd cover you knew you could hardly stand to wait but you have!!!


well wait no more for the preview clip, its 2 whole minutes long and i made it myself!!! i just finished it and its in my members section in the vid section under newstuff.

it doesnt show any of the juicy juice, thats because i cut it all off one mili second before showing the goods... but the dvd hold nothing back. the sample is only a HINT of the naughtyness on the full feature... im soooo serious this is probabally the hottest movie youll ever see me in...


anyways, the details like price and if its mail order or DL etc have not been decided... not has an official release date. but sit tight ill lety ou know the details when i have em. untill then, enjoy the preview xoxoxoxxo

oh and for non members... (and members too, hehe i mean for everyone...) heres some sample pics from that night ....


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[Joel]

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[BillyBear]

the sample pics ain't loading for me...

[cosmos]

vic.... we all love you so much!

[david82]

YOWZA!!
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[BillyBear]

The preview pics are showing up for me now. I suspect I tried to access them during the server change...

[abe99]

Impatiently awaiting release date of dvd............... http://www.area51metro.com/images/graemlins/hot.gif

[Dick44]

Everyone in the chat knows my reaction to the mere possibility of seeing Vicki naked in slathered in oil. http://www.area51metro.com/images/graemlins/love.gif
My stress level will be at an all time high waiting for this DVD. Thanks for the preview pics also Vicki. http://www.area51metro.com/images/graemlins/cdnflag.gif

[The Dizzle]

Well hey...What good is a flat-line if you can't have one anyway?
Thanks for the Pulse-raising samples.
All further proof that You possess a Heart Siezing appeal.
Absolutely Wonderful V.....Sign me up, cause I'm already there waiting in line like a Lucas fan.
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[Gideon_LRAI]

Sign me up!

Wowwee I damn near lost it when I saw that.

Also I will have you all know good news for gid. I'm no longer totaly frustrated with the whole female gender (excluding GU Girls of course...I always loved them).
Gid's dating a new girl ... and she bears a striking resemblence to a certain brunette that just happens to be slatherd in oil.......

Oh my

[numbnuts]

This story is a romance right? A kind of a love triangle; girl meets oil, girl meets tequila, girl get oily and tequila'd... http://www.area51metro.com/images/graemlins/shocked.gif and this story has a happy ending? I love a happy ending.

Since Staci is coming over this week I think you should get started on your next movie. I was thinking a period piece, maybe 50's style dress. All you need is a couple of sectional sofas, more tequila... You could call it "All Penned Up". http://www.area51metro.com/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[marco87]

Two words:

Oh!

Vicki!

[tdsinus]

Sometimes, there simply are NO words that can do something justice. I think we've found the perfect example here.

[Vicki]

haha numbnuts... all penned up hehe.... im gonna tell stac that one

YAY GID!! http://www.area51metro.com/images/graemlins/booty.gif http://www.area51metro.com/images/graemlins/booty.gif bootay time!!! keep us posted xoxoxox

[Jwarl]

Looks good Vicki but I doubt if I will shell out any dollars for a disc without seeing some actual "juicy juice". This is the members area so why be all coy??

[BillyBear]

but I doubt if I will shell out any dollars for a disc without seeing some actual "juicy juice".




Quite the contrary, most won't pay for what they already got. There are reasons it's called (quite clearly) a "preview."
Flame away!


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[snoodlefan]

I have to have it. Please make it available for download, I don't think I could wait for it to be shipped to me.

[Gideon_LRAI]

LOL Vicki, you know me too well...it is in fact BOOTAY TIME.
Again knowing now that she bears a striking resembalance to you Vicki....how do you feel about the BOOTAY now...I know how I feel...and I would certainly pay large cash to introdue the 2 of you...she goes not only both ways but I think almost every way imaginable....so wow...legs and hair everywhere....umm...wow...I think I just had what we call a wet dream.

Love ya all

[Vicki]

she sounds hot gid... did you tell her about me? could you send me a pic? im soooo curious...

and thanks BB, for answering jwarls comment that rather miffed me. exactly your response is mine also. some people just dont have a clue about business i guess.

[Gideon_LRAI]

I did tell her about you in fact. She was cool with that....in fact it came up because she was talking about a similar project that was proposed to her in the past....except I don't think hers was quite as umm... lets say....ummm ..... sweet....more of a dirty sort of project... ex BF was kind of a creep I guess.

anyway.....

I haven't shown her your site yet but I surely will because I know she will love it.

and I promise as soon as I get a photo pf her I will get you a photo of her....she would be flattered and ya never know with her lol...she may start making plans for a trip to BC to find her self a sexy GU girl to get her freak on with...the personality and even physical similarities are frightening and uncanny....its a party girl thing I guess http://www.area51metro.com/images/graemlins/wink.gif

love ya all

[cosmos]

you should produce vids of that gid!!!!

[Jwarl]

I'm sorry that you're miffed Vicki. I don't know what price you will charge for a 40c DVD-R but I should imagine it will be around $40. I think it is only reasonable to expect a trailer that is representative of the final goods. If that one extra millisecond was the "juicy juice" then you would have sold it to me already.
You have a very faithful fan base who will buy it anyway but if you want to sell it to the more casual subscribers then you need the hard sell. I bought all three Lindsey dvds but then the site was not a tease - you could expect the dvd to reflect the site content.

[lcawc13]

I gotta disagree with ya Jwarl, it doesn't make sense to show the best bits in a trailer. That applies for just about anything really, it all comes down to the old saying "Why pay when you can get it for free?" or for you country folk "Why buy the cow when you can get the milk for free?" (haha, probably messed that last one up, whoops). Vicki and Billy are exactly right, that's just how you run a successful business.

Look at me, posting twice in one day after not posting here for at least a year, cra-azy.

[BillyBear]

some people just dont have a clue about business i guess.




Evidently not, especially if he thinks what he's buying is a $0.40 DVD-R. I can't even grasp that thought process. As a matter of fact, as a DVD-R, yours will have no value, because it's already been written to. It's the content one pays for, and if you've given that away, it's value is diminished.
And, by the way, I just looked at the PREVIEWS for the Lindsey DVDs, and, guess what!! NO "juicy juice"! So, I guess we have to take Vicki's word for what's on the actual DVD, and, personally, I have never known a GU girl to mirepresent anything.








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[BillyBear]

Look at me, posting twice in one day after not posting here for at least a year, cra-azy.





Well, good to see you finally come out of the closet...

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[Jwarl]

The Lindsey DVD previews do not need to show anything. The Lindsey site did not operate a two-tier system - photo sets were nude and so were DVDs. Vicki's site is basically topless so unless I see anything to the contrary I, and most other occasional subscribers, would probably expect the same of the DVD. I have nothing against Vicki - I am a long term occasional subscriber (at the moment in fact on 60 day signup) and when the time difference permits I join her chats - its just that I think we should know exactly what is on offer. I have been accused of having no business sense in these posts but the point of a trailer is to show a glimpse of what is on offer in the full product. Obviously there have been a lot of trailers for poor films that show nearly all the good points and serve to misrepresent the actual movie. We have the opposite here - apparently a super sexy dvd that goes further than anything before - if this is so then the trailer is not a true representation.

Anyhow I have said my piece and I am not going to post any more to this topic. I think it is great that Vicki is being more adventurous as I think model sites cannot just continue with the same types of content indefinitely and I hope that her dvd sells well.

[lcawc13]

I disagree yet again, in the trailer it's pretty obvious they'll be at least one shot of Vicki's um... "nether regions", heh. Plus Vicki isn't one to lie, if she says it's the hottest hting she's done then it really is. She doesn't have to show the full monty in the trailer, it cuts away a split second before she does because she doesn't want to show the best bits. Anyways though, if the trailer doesn't convince you to buy the DVD then well... don't buy it, a lot of other people will buy it. Sorry if I'm being rude, I just strongly disagree with what you've been saying.

[BillyBear]

Plus Vicki isn't one to lie, if she says it's the hottest hting she's done then it really is.




to me, that's the bottom line. as I said in my previous post, I've never known any of the GU girls to be dishonest.




Sorry if I'm being rude, I just strongly disagree with what you've been saying.




IMO, there was nothing rude in the way you said it.



Anyways though, if the trailer doesn't convince you to buy the DVD then well... don't buy it, a lot of other people will buy it.




right on. as a matter of fact, this trailer is hotter than the Lindsey trailers, which is why this one appears in the members' area.

[BillyBear]

I think model sites cannot just continue with the same types of content indefinitely




again, I must disagree, and I think the fact that these sites have flourished for over 3 years now disproves your theory. bottom line is, for a site to succeed, it must DELIEVER WHAT IS PROMISED, no more, and surely no less.

[jarhed]

again, I must disagree, and I think the fact that these sites have flourished for over 3 years now disproves your theory.



I disagree, the sites have changed over the years. A few years ago when I joined and they were pretty much just starting, if I recall right, there wasn't any nudity in the pictures. Hardly any shear, or any slips. I remember how excited people got in the chats, when Vicki's camera ran all night and they thought there was a glimpse while she was in bed.


bottom line is, for a site to succeed, it must DELIEVER WHAT IS PROMISED, no more, and surely no less.



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[Jwarl]

Thanks Jarhed. Although BB and the some of the others may have selective memory loss the sites have changed substantially and Vicki and Josie show more. Although I realise the friendly chats are important to the girls and some of the N American fans the majority of the subscribers outside US time zones are really interested in the photos and videos, and generally if more is shown the better. We're not talking disrespect but simple male interest. The girls have obviously responded to requests over the last two years - why else would they have decided to go topless????
In previous posts in this thread of I have been accused of having no idea about business! I do know about free market economy and supply and demand (which I would have thought all Americans would know about!!) - I doubt that Vicki and Josie agreed to show topless photos for some artistic reasons... it was to simply satisfy demand and increase subscriptions.
If the preview showed more then it would be representative of the DVD and I would not have posted. If Vicki does not have a problem with full nudity then why would she have a problem with maybe a second or two of "juicy juice" in the trailer?? If she has no issues with nudity then it would be of no consequence... but would convince any wavering subscribers of the content of the DVD.
For these reasons I think the best GU site is Lindsey, even thought she is no longer involved. The site is completely transparent (and if I may say so honest). She was not adverse to nude photoshoots and videos and that is what we get! The previews may be non-nude but with the nudity in the sets we have no reason to think the dvds will be different. If Vicki is equally happy with nudity then the site should reflect it.

[BillyBear]

Although BB and the some of the others may have selective memory loss the sites have changed substantially



Wrong again. We just define "substantially" differently.



For these reasons I think the best GU site is Lindsey, even thought she is no longer involved. The site is completely transparent (and if I may say so honest). She was not adverse to nude photoshoots and videos and that is what we get!




...and thus, it would be your favorite site because that's what you were looking for. What I have noticed is that internet sites with nude photos of girls totally uninvolved in the site are everywhere. Most of us who are members of the core sites here are here for other reasons.


The previews may be non-nude but with the nudity in the sets we have no reason to think the dvds will be different. If Vicki is equally happy with nudity then the site should reflect it.




Well, as several people have already pointed out, the reason we beleive the DVD is "different" is because Vicki says so, and we trust the integrity of GU girls. You claim to grasp business sense, yet you fail to see the most basic principle, being that THE selling point of the DVD is that it IS ""different.""
But hey, I don't think you're going to get Vicki to post another preview just for you, and you do appear to be the only one not grasping the concept. Again, go look at the Lindsey PREVIEWS. Not even topless. Yet, you say you own those, so I'm guessing you took her at her word. Same deal here.

[lcawc13]

I just have to mention this because no one else has, but it's bugging the hell out of me whenever I see the words "juicy juice". It just sounds so damn creepy, heh. You know, creepy like in the sense when you go to parties and you see people like a decade older there... by themselves.... hitting on the youngest girls they find.

*shudder*

[BillyBear]

no comment

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[cosmos]

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[probsty]

wow lc i thought you were gone
been a long time and you are right that is a creepy way of saying it

[Jwarl]

Vicki is obviously happy with the term "juicy juice" or she wouldn't have used it...

[BillyBear]

oy. I would assume she used the term just because it was in reference to the initial post, and not conclude from that that she is ""happy"" with it. In any case, the other guy is entitled to his opinion of it, and his opinion was in no way offensive, nor an attack on the initial poster. My inference was merely that he was saying it was kind of an adolescent reference, but, IMO, it's a lot less offensive than some other colloquialisms than could have been used. OK, so I've just rambled on for a whole paragraph to essentially say "so bleeping what?" Didn't sound to me like he had a big problem with it, seemed he was just kind of bemused.

[Jwarl]

I only mentioned it in case posters thought this was my term... the initial poster was Vicki and I just quoted it. Personally I think it is a good euphemism and see nothing creepy about it. But as you say everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

[BillyBear]

But as you say everyone is entitled to their own opinion.



ya just never know around here. near as I can tell, it's okay for someone to expect a model to engage in bondage scenes, but not okay to say that IN YOUR *OPINION* that's sick...

[lcawc13]

Haha, with all due respect to Vicki, I still find it to be a rather strange description. Anywho, PROBSTY! My old friend how have ya been? Oh, and to keep on topic, any update on when the DVD will be released? hehe

[probsty]

damn dude i been great
got married
told ya i would
what about you

[lcawc13]

I've been pretty damn good, bounced around a few relationships while I try and finish up college, heh. Congrats on getting married though!

[Vicki]

yeah gid maybe we could do a shoot together... hehe ya never know

[Vicki]

OMG probsty yay!! you never told me... i mean i know you said you would but good for you... are you sooo happy or hwat?

[Jay S]

hey vicki, i for one am looking forward to this video. i saw the preview and holy s**t is all i can say.

[probsty]

i am way happy
wanted it to happen for a long time
were engaged for 2 and a half years
i wasn't sure if anyone remembered
later hotty

[ssei]

when are we going to see this DVD? We cannot wait any longer...

[RudeDog]

Well I am happy to both Gid and Probsty http://www.area51metro.com/images/graemlins/grin.gif with there women now long time for both in their own way http://www.area51metro.com/images/graemlins/wink.gif.
Probsty I have now returned and lost out of a lot on all the gang here, even if I popped in time to time http://www.area51metro.com/images/graemlins/trout.gif http://www.area51metro.com/images/graemlins/sleep.gif. ConGrads http://www.area51metro.com/images/graemlins/cool.gif on the big decision and to I pray a better life for you both http://www.area51metro.com/images/graemlins/smile.gif.
Gid was this a girl you took one of the pantys http://www.area51metro.com/images/graemlins/booty.gif from for it seems this would be a decision for her to like you...naughty http://www.area51metro.com/images/graemlins/cdnflag.gif. Good for you Gid and your mystery woman and lots of http://www.area51metro.com/images/graemlins/makeit.gif fun, sex and happiness http://www.area51metro.com/images/graemlins/chmp.gif.

Also Gid if your g/f and Vicki to get together http://www.area51metro.com/images/graemlins/ooo.gif in some sets, I ask that you don't crash http://www.area51metro.com/images/graemlins/shocked.gif in them for I don't think I or maybe we are that bold http://www.area51metro.com/images/graemlins/blush.gif to take a step that daring to see them and you too... http://www.area51metro.com/images/graemlins/laugh.gif http://www.area51metro.com/images/graemlins/laugh.gif http://www.area51metro.com/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

[Gideon_LRAI]

Hey Rudey,

Don't wish me good luck with that girl http://www.area51metro.com/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Turns out she is an evil devil woman with some heavy duty issues... so she has gone the way of the dodo as far as I am concerned.

Time to move on to the next one...

[RudeDog]

I read that Fox has been teaching his tricks on how to boot bitches
for other fish in the seas. Sorry she turned out so bad Gid for it
read like you two would have some fun together but better on the next on.

[mr bongo]

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[Gideon_LRAI]

meh Im not worried Rudey...remember Im kind of a tramp...so its not like there isnt one around the corner waiting...in fact I have been dating a few at a time for the last little bit http://www.area51metro.com/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[BillyBear]

I read that Fox has been teaching his tricks on how to boot bitches




IMO, that B word should be as politically incorrect as the infamous "N word." Even disguised in a dog context, seeing it here made me cringe...

[RudeDog]

Well billy cringe then for it was in a song not many years back, in is in the webster dictionary and it is a female dog in heat that can stir up trouble for males.

[BillyBear]

we can justify anything I guess. in certain contexts we shouldn't though. don't care much how many songs it was in. like our mothers told us, if everyone else jumped off the bridge . . .
oh well

[RudeDog]

Well Billy bless my mother for she was good but
even she mention this for after all it is a common
word in the South. We didn't use it as a slang
towards as like "she was a B" but in other ways,
unless it word fix like a glove to that person.

[BillyBear]

...and many of us grew up with the use of "the N word." doesn't mean it's to be used in general conversation in polite company.

[marco87]

I cringed too.

[Webmaster J]

hmm well being a woman, i can say some women can be and are bitches at times. Rude was being rude.. hehe rofl
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[BillyBear]

whatever. again, just imo, rudeness need not (even should not) be encouraged. just follow the crowd and keep smiling? that's never been me. I'm not afraid to call a spade a spade. but hey, let's not disagree. keep the peace at all cost. offending is okay, "defending" isn't (otoh, isn't Rude a big dog, who can take care of himself?). I stand by my analogy to "the N word," and I'll bet if that were used here, it would get someone booted. as always here; free speech for some . . .
in conclusion, I am not surprised at who's not offended, also don't care.

[Vicki]

...in fact I have been dating a few at a time for the last little bit http://www.area51metro.com/images/graemlins/wink.gif



yeah gid it always works like that - even if she WAS a freak, you have her to be thankfull for because she got you vibrating at the level yoiu need to to be attractive to the opposite sex. it always goes like that... nothing for so long, then as soon as you hook up with someone then it seems there are tons of people interrested in you and you wonder where they had been in the past few months lol ....

[Vicki]

ok ok call me dumb? maybe its a brain fart - but what the crap is the " n-word" ??? lol...



oh yes and as for the release still no date yet... sit tight. hehe im on holidays but when i get back we'll be picking a date to let you know for sure xoxoxo

[Webmaster J]

I was not trying to defend Rude.. he is a big boy and definitely can handle himself.. I just felt that it was pointless to go over and over the same thing. There was no harm meant by his comment.. same I am sure about Vicki saying she was freak. If the comment had been directed at you or about your ex and you complained that would be different.. You are most welcome to be offended by it but what is said is said.. There just wasn't any point I thought in everyone posting oh i was offended too.. considering none or next to none of you are women, I find it admirable that you all could get offended over it. Vicki - I am just guessing but I think the word they are referring to is nigger.

[Vicki]

oh.... hehe i was trying to think of another word that meant the same thing as the b word lol...


yeah we all know rude didnt mean anything by it... but it did make me cringe also. this is just our conditioning to respond to the word used as such.. rude being an old southern dog obviously has different conditioning for responding to the word used as such.


speaking of conditioning... ive been listening to alot of anthony robbins while ive been on vacation ( DONT laugh at me lol) and guess what??? today, i was driving to the internet cafe - and who do i see jogging by on the road?? yes, the big man himself. yesterday i saw the headlines on the Sun - people are exposing him for wooing away the wife of another man! Its made the Vancouver headlines! This woman is from Langley, Vavcouver.. thats very very close to where i am staying, on one of the Gulf Islands. I guess he just needed some time to get away as i did... i wish i could have said hi. maybe ill see him around. Poor man - it must be awful to have the media all up in your private life. I feel for him - just cause i love listening to him so much. He's an excellent coach when you need some motivation.

[BillyBear]

I just felt that it was pointless to go over and over the same thing.




well, I don't see it that way. I was trying to make the point that sometimes we grow up and realize that some things we "learned" are actually offensive and should be unlearned. One should not expect the rest of the world to accept their "conditioning." I also don't see why those who cringed aren't entitled to express themselves. IMO, just letting it pass implies approval. I cringed. If I see that word in here again, I will cringe again, and I likely will say so. I guess I'm not clear on the concept here.



If the comment had been directed at you or about your ex and you complained that would be different.. You are most welcome to be offended by it but what is said is said.. There just wasn't any point I thought in everyone posting oh i was offended too.. considering none or next to none of you are women,




and like here I'm totally missing the point. The logic even seems kind of circular. I thought this was a free exchange here. I didn't know that we are only supposed to react if something is directed at one of us personally.
So, I just want to be sure I understand. It's okay to say b****es, but it's not okay to cringe? Or is it okay to cringe if I keep it to myself? Hmmmm, well, gee, I'm sorry some were offended by my cringing because I was was offended by the "B" word, even if I still don't get it. I don't get how not being a woamn should affect my cringing either. I know that some do see women as sub-human, but I am not among them. Is this okay, or is this something I also need to keep to myself? Might be interesting to see how some who throw b**ch around so freely would react to be called a bastard, wouldn't it?

[Gideon_LRAI]

I never get offended

[BillyBear]

I never get offended



we knew that.
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see, if the comment was actually "directed at" you, I'd be saying 'yeah, he can handle it.' Part of the problem for me, even aside from that word in the context of this fc, is that it's actually directed at someone no one here, aside from you, knows, so I don't think it's up to any of us to make that leap...

[probsty]

the n word is the one that gets me
the rest i don't care about
less someone really means it
or in rap
that is just disrespect

[RudeDog]

Ok this is the meaning of this cringed B word and let me know which one didn't fit according to what Gid wrote.

n. 1. The female of the canine kind, as of the dog, wolf, and fox.
2. An opprobrious name for a woman, especially a lewd woman.
3. an unpleasant, malicious, or offensive person.
4. something difficult or unpleasant.
5. a complaint.
6. woman who is thoroughly disliked

And now the word Billy that you used that don't cringe you but I felt should have more than my B word.

Noun 1. bastard - insulting terms of address for people who are stupid or irritating or ridiculous
the illegitimate offspring of unmarried parents
derogatory term for a variation that is not genuine; something irregular or inferior or of
dubious origin

I don't know but I like my word better than your word Billy so I can say your B word cringed me so we should be even now...lets play a nice game of tic tac toe.

[lcawc13]

If I may interject, but does anyone else find it funny how the majority of the posts in this thread don't pertain to the new DVD?

[Dick44]

If I may interject, but does anyone else find it funny how the majority of the posts in this thread don't pertain to the new DVD?


LOL yeah you are right but it's all in fun,....oh wait, they started the game again. Shhhhh quiet in the audience.

[BillyBear]

I don't know but I like my word better than your word Billy so I can say your B word cringed me so we should be even now...




No. Think about it. You just made my point for me.



Might be interesting to see how some who throw b**ch around so freely would react to be called a bastard, wouldn't it?

[RudeDog]

This is filler time till Vicki can give us more details...you know keeping the post live
and updated. So far Vicki had did more post on this than in recent days than all the other
post elsewhere, so we must be doing something right.

[Vicki]

omg, you guys are tooo toooo funny! i love the tic tac toe graphic hehe... yes and keep posting i will. i have 4 days left of my holiday and then i can get to the bottom of setting a date with ab for the release. im sure we will have to have plenty of them stocked up before we release it... so sit tight boys. man i love you guys xoxoxoxox

[Jwarl]

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[cosmos]

i think you crossed a line bud....

[BillyBear]

well, he did just show himself to be the type to which I do not relate, and I suspected this all along . . .
Perhaps he's bored and/or tired of being here.

[mahlongh]

OK, so I haven't been around for ages, much less posted very much even when I was around. But I read this and thought I'd interject.
First off, that DVD looks very hot. Makes me realize all the more how much I've missed not being around here.

Secondly, a word (any word) being offensive, is to me, rather stupid. Why? For many reasons. History being one of them. Do you find the words "breast" or "thigh" offensive? Most people today would not, but in the past (here's some of the history part... from the History Channel no less) people in the U.S. found those words to carry very heavy sexual connotations. So when Colonel Sanders opened up his first fried chicken restuarant, they could NOT put breast or thigh on the menu hanging behind the counter. It would have caused a scandal. That's how we wound up with the terms "light meat" and "dark meat" for different parts of the chicken. Ironically, "light meat" and "dark meat" now carry just as much, if not more, sexual connotation as "breast" and "thigh" ever did. Also in the past, you were not allowed to use the word "pregnant" or any derivation thereof. Yet today, there are shows devoted solely to pregnant women, and them then giving birth. Some things we have been taught to find offensive, we may find not to be, if we but stop and look at them objectively.

The Showtime series "Penn & Teller's Bullshit!" did a really good job of putting "foul language" into perspective in the episode simply titled: Profanity. The gist of the show is as follows. Why is ANY word considered offensive? Words are just a set of sounds that we have strung together in different orders, thus allowing us to communicate. We give these sound combinations meanings, and when used in different contexts, they have different meanings. The words themselves don't have any value at all. The meaning that the speaker/writer intends the words to have is what matters. What may not offend you, someone else could find to be the most disturbing thing they have ever seen or heard. And vice versa.

Also, something that text (and thus the internet) lacks is tone of voice. Try telling your pet in a nice widdle, cuddwy voice that you are gonna rip off its fur, gouge out its eyes and chop it up with a rusty axe. Then, in the loudest, angriest voice you can muster, tell that same pet that you LOVE IT LIKE CRAZY AND WOULD NEVER LET ANYBODY, ANYWHERE, HARM IT NO MATTER WHAT!!! Compare how your pet reacts. Do you think it was your words or your tone of voice that made your pet rub against your leg at first, then run and hide under the couch? An animal will react to the nature of a thing, not to the definition that we humans thrust upon that thing.

Words can also be compared with gestures, specifically, ones that are considered rude or vulgar. Why is it that a baeball player can stand in front of 40,000 fans and scratch his nuts all day long, and no one bats an eyelash? Yet if he becomes angry at something and flips up his middle finger, the TV stations and newspapers have to scramble to pixelate the image? I don't care what his reason for doing it, I personally don't want to see another guy scratch his nuts on national TV. But I DO know the history of how the gesture of flipping someone off came about (more props for the History Channel). And I don't find that gesture the least bit offensive. But the FCC would apparently disagree with me.

What it all boils down to is that some things you do will offend others. Some things others do will offend you. Learn to say you're sorry if you offended someone else, but explain that you didn't mean to, and explain what you did mean. And learn to forgive someone if they did offend you, albeit, unintentionally. Of course, if they DID mean to offend you, pull out your notepad, cause it's time to kick ass and take names!

Of course, for me personally, if someone says they want to kick my ass, I'll tell them to hold on while I go get it. Then I'll go find a donkey (more accurately named, it's an ass), bring it back to the person, and ask them if they really want to kick it. Because I'm sure my ass can alot harder than they ever could. :P

[marco87]

<-------- eagerly awaiting release of DVD.

[BillyBear]

Also, something that text (and thus the internet) lacks is tone of voice. Try telling your pet in a nice widdle, cuddwy voice that you are gonna rip off its fur, gouge out its eyes and chop it up with a rusty axe. Then, in the loudest, angriest voice you can muster, tell that same pet that you LOVE IT LIKE CRAZY AND WOULD NEVER LET ANYBODY, ANYWHERE, HARM IT NO MATTER WHAT!!! Compare how your pet reacts. Do you think it was your words or your tone of voice that made your pet rub against your leg at first, then run and hide under the couch? An animal will react to the nature of a thing, not to the definition that we humans thrust upon that thing.





Well, thank you for seven paragrpahs about nothing. It's the part I quoted above that really makes the point though. It is the very ability to think and reason, and to take inference that seperates us from what we call "dumb animals." What we would freely say about or call a dog should not be said with reference to a fellow human. Penn & Teller may be funny and entertaining, but it's just sad to choose to live your life according to their absurdist comedy. But hey, you may do whatever you choose to do, but, myself, it is not my goal to become a grunting pig.
In fact, I'm just baffled by how some people seemingly take such pride in comparing themselves to "dumb animals."

[BillyBear]

Do you find the words "breast" or "thigh" offensive? Most people today would not, but in the past (here's some of the history part... from the History Channel no less) people in the U.S. found those words to carry very heavy sexual connotations. So when Colonel Sanders opened up his first fried chicken restuarant, they could NOT put breast or thigh on the menu hanging behind the counter. It would have caused a scandal. That's how we wound up with the terms "light meat" and "dark meat" for different parts of the chicken. Ironically, "light meat" and "dark meat" now carry just as much, if not more, sexual connotation as "breast" and "thigh" ever did.




First of all, I don't believe a word of that. I'm old enough to recognize "urban legend" when I see it. More importantly, I just LOVE how people will drag out the most outrageous examples, even if they can't be verified (like pointing out that "some" people find Teletubbies offensive) to support their ""arguments.""

[BillyBear]

<-------- eagerly awaiting release of DVD.




now, that's the right attitude.


http://www.area51metro.com/images/graemlins/thumbsup.gif

[cosmos]

Also, something that text (and thus the internet) lacks is tone of voice. Try telling your pet in a nice widdle, cuddwy voice that you are gonna rip off its fur, gouge out its eyes and chop it up with a rusty axe. Then, in the loudest, angriest voice you can muster, tell that same pet that you LOVE IT LIKE CRAZY AND WOULD NEVER LET ANYBODY, ANYWHERE, HARM IT NO MATTER WHAT!!! Compare how your pet reacts. Do you think it was your words or your tone of voice that made your pet rub against your leg at first, then run and hide under the couch? An animal will react to the nature of a thing, not to the definition that we humans thrust upon that thing.






just to rain on your parade a bit and i think im missin the point of your rant but F**K get over it it WAS nonsenseicle RAMBLING. in the instance of a domestic cat, a cat will rub up against your leg to let you know that you are the bigger, taller, more domineering (or whatever) creature, OTHER than putting it's scent on you that is. <----- thank YOU discovery channel.


(Right on BB)

[cosmos]

<-------- eagerly awaiting release of DVD.



well yeah!!! no argument there!!!!

and isn't that all what it's about?!?!

[RudeDog]

Well mahlongh this dumb animal says hello for it has been a while
and hope you are doing fine. I like the post you did maybe cause I
am a dumb animal but whatever it was good to see you post.

[mahlongh]

Apparently the point was missed, so let me explain it in extensive detail. Note the first sentence of this paragraph, as it is the key point:


Also, something that text (and thus the internet) lacks is tone of voice.



Since the internet lacks the ability to convey the tone of what someone writes, we are left with only the words and the context in which they are used to determine what the person meant.


It is the very ability to think and reason, and to take inference that seperates us from what we call "dumb animals."



I agree, and when we can actually hear a person talking, we can do so more effectively. But when we only have the words to read, we will generally apply a tone to those words based upon personal experience with the person who wrote them, our feelings towards that person, and apparently in this case, our feelings towards specific words used. But since we are not perfect creatures, we may apply a tone to the words that is completely the opposite of the tone the writer intended.

The way I read it, Rude was joking with Gid about something Foxdog said in the past. It wasn't meant to degrade women in the least. Apparently the way you read it, was completley different. And as to whether or not that word should be used in "polite company," well, take a look around. Why is this board here in the first place? I don't think this would quallify as "polite company."


Something I found that makes me question this whole thing though billy


IMO, that B word should be as politically incorrect as the infamous "N word."



this was then followed up by a statement coated with sarcasm, but of a completely reverse stance than the first:

just follow the crowd and keep smiling? that's never been me. I'm not afraid to call a spade a spade. but hey, let's not disagree. keep the peace at all cost.



The definition of politically correct is: Showing an effort to make broad social and political changes to redress injustices caused by prejudice. It often involves changing or avoiding language that might offend anyone, especially with respect to gender, race, or ethnic background.

So Billy, you want to be politically correct, (and avoid language that might offend) but you don't mind if you offend someone in the process? To paraphrase you, are you not afriad to "call a bitch a bitch?" If you do want to be politically correct, you should know that I personally find "political correctness" to be one of the most offensive things in society today. I guess you just offended me.

[cosmos]

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[Vicki]

hehe ok guys, enuff is e-NUFF!!

HI MAH!!! Nice to see you again!


and as far as dvd release date progress..... today is the last day of my holiday http://www.area51metro.com/images/graemlins/frown.gif


but thats also a good thing because im SOOOOOOO excited about the jj birthday chat on thursday. i sure hope jj comes... i havent heard from him in awhile so i hope hes ok.


and i also messaged ab tongiht about setting a date for the dvd release... oooh its getting closer.


see you soon xoxoxoxoxoxoxox


and no more talking about bitchaz and niggaz ok????? geeez... talk about keeping this topic at the top of the list hehe, good job guys xoxoxoxoxoxox

[RudeDog]

Hey Vicki, JJ is away till the 5th or 6th. He is visiting his dad, but has a doctor's appt on the 6th. He lives just a couple hours away that he could return morning of the 6th and have the afternoon. I think his Birthday Chat should be set for July 30th, his true birthday of being over the half century mark.

Hey Mahlongh you just about hit the mark on your last post; my part anyway.

Vicki why in the ........(policitial correct) are you doing here and not ending your last day as the end of 1999, like half the weekends. Am I assume that all you need to make the dvd is done just ab needs to punch up you on the disc with plenty to be sold. Did WebJ post something about ordering by mail and MO vice using Ibill? She mention something about not using cc on something.

[lcawc13]

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Sorry to burst your bubble, but this thread went waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay off topic long ago, lol. I have to agree with Mah though, it's good to see someone with an open mind. I'd just like to add that it's basically because of classical conditioning that we find certain words offensive. Growing up, some of us were told never to say certain words because they were "bad", and so when you pound that ideal into a kid's head enoug hat a young age they carry that knowledge in their mind for the rest of their lives, flawed knowledge or not. The arguement is a dual-edged sword though: this is not to say a kid growing up in a family that frequently uses "vulgar" words would grow up being tolerant of said "vulgar" words. They could grow up hating the words, and maybe their family too for using them, it just depends on who told them the words were "bad" and hwen they told the person that.

As for those who pooh-poohed Mah's explanation because of his animal analogy, as well as his Penn & Teller analogy, you were simply attacking him with no just cause. He offered an insightful explanation to why many people find certain words offensive and you attacked him, thats not "vulgar" or "stupid", that's just you showing a lack of character and intelligence. You don't have to agree with him, you just shouldn't blindly attack someone.

Ahhh, that'll end my ranting for now. But yeah, it's pretty cool to see some intellectual banter here, to be honest this is one of the last places I'd expect to see it, heh. Oh well, I'm looking forward to the next chat and hopefully a release date for the DVD. Peace everybody...

[BillyBear]

damn, that is some twisted logic!
And hey, what's your justification for PARAPHRASING?? I stand by what I SAID, but I take NO responsibility for what you infer in your twisted logic.

[BillyBear]

I have to agree with Mah though, it's good to see someone with an open mind.



"Open" to what?? You practically call those who don't agree idiots! How "open" is that?!?




He offered an insightful explanation to why many people find certain words offensive and you attacked him, thats not "vulgar" or "stupid", that's just you showing a lack of character and intelligence.




Well, not only are you now bordering on personal insult, but to cite just spewing out rubbish that you've seen on TV as "insightful". . .
ick
To say that people only find words offensive only because they are conditioned to find them offensive is a closed-minded way of saying that one does not care if their words offend.



You don't have to agree with him, you just shouldn't blindly attack someone.





"Blindly"?!? I gave you all the reasons!

[BillyBear]

i think you crossed a line bud....




BUT, evidently because I'm ""the only one"" offended by the use of the word "b****", I'm on my own here. Okay, so I disagree with much of what's been said here, and I expressed myself, but THAT post has no ther purpose then to insult.

[Webmaster J]

Jwarl - lets not go there.. You owe BillyBear an apology.. We should be able to have a grown up discussion without handing out insults.

mahlongh - I understand your post and agree with it. History Channel and Discovery Channel are a wealth of information.

To everyone else: I think it is time to move onto another subject. Obviously, everyone has their own opinion and I am not preventing anyone from posting it, but there comes a point where you just need to move on and agree to disagree. We all come from different backgrounds and were all raised differently. We will have differences of opinion about alot of things. War, peace, sex, prositution, murder, terrorism, abortion, and tons of other things. These topics should be discussed in an intellectual fashion with the end goal being to try to learn something new or looking at it from a different perspective. Do research and learn about both sides of the coin so to speak before closing your mind to learning something new. No one should fault you or condemn you for having an opinion. But you should be willing to hear the other side of things if you do post an opinion.

[BillyBear]

I understand your post and agree with it. History Channel and Discovery Channel are a wealth of information.




There's a whooooole lot of TV channels, each with 24 hours a day to fill. That makes "I heard it on TV" about as reliable as "I read it on the internet" (need I mention Dan Rather and SeeBS?). Besides, what we were discussing here is SUBJECTIVE. I do not, no matter who says it, buy that the offended is responsible for being offended. Perhaps the offended just perceives language as more meaningful than incoherent sounds strung together. Ya read some of these posts here, what they say is "yup yup yup! I saw it on TV, so I know it's true, and if you don't agree you're ignorant." I don't buy that. Never will.
I think I'm done now.

[BillyBear]

oh yeah, thanks for posting the quote from Jwarl, thus insuring that it won't die.

[Webmaster J]

Billy it was not my intention to embarrass or insult you further by quoting jwarl. I have removed the quote and will also delete his original message so the offense doesn't continue to bother. Hopefully Jwarl can come forward and post an apology.

[Gideon_LRAI]

All I know is I am still a tramp and I'm looking forward to the DVD http://www.area51metro.com/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[lcawc13]

Ugh, I'm done with this thread, Billy is too damn stubborn. Billy, stop quoting everyone and pointing out their "flaws", it's incredibly annoying, just stop, please, I beg of you. I won't say I speak for everyone, but I think it's pretty safe to say that your unrelenting attacks on everyone is wearing thin and you just might make more enemies than friends.

But, before I leave, I have to defend myself against your attack on me Billy. First of all, I never called anyone an idiot, you said this, not me, don't you dare accuse me of something I never said NOR did I ever infer. Second of all, what you find to be "rubbish" doesn't make it actual "rubbish", in fact nothing you've said is 100% factual nor is a doctrine for us to live a perfect life. You are entitled to your opinion, but once again, you are not an omnipresent force, and thus your reasoning isn't always accurate. I also did not say it was "only" because of conditioning that people find certain words offensive, I said it was "basically" because of it, meaning their could obviously be other reasons. As for the "blindy attacking" comment, you did attack mah without factual evidence. You insulted him for "living his life" according to Penn & Teller's Bullshit!, yet he never once said he lived by that show, nor that he lived his life according to anything he saw on TV. In fact mah only used television as reference in trying to get his point across. Judgements are not facts Billy, people of intelligence use facts in their arguements, but all you have done is make judgements and inferences, with little to no factual information to back up your attacks.

Feel free to respond to this Billy, in fact I'm certain you will, complete with quotes just in case anyone doesn't know who you're currently insulting...

*sigh*

[cosmos]

All I know is I am still a tramp and I'm looking forward to the DVD http://www.area51metro.com/images/graemlins/smile.gif



right on !!!!

[BillyBear]

But, before I leave, I have to defend myself against your attack on me Billy. First of all, I never called anyone an idiot, you said this, not me, don't you dare accuse me of something I never said NOR did I ever infer.




He offered an insightful explanation to why many people find certain words offensive and you attacked him, thats not "vulgar" or "stupid", that's just you showing a lack of character and intelligence.




...and I still don't see gaining your knowledge from Penn & Teller as "insighful." It's as good as learning psychiatry from Tom Cruise or Matt Lauer.
Have a great day.

[BillyBear]

Judgements are not facts Billy, people of intelligence use facts in their arguements, but all you have done is make judgements and inferences, with little to no factual information to back up your attacks.





That's what *I'VE* been trying to say! What kind of ""facts"" would you like to back up my contention that human language is more than animal grunts, and that the offended is not the one responsible for being offended?

[Webmaster J]

ok enough. topic now closed..